Peterloo avatars update

The Pererloo campaign seems to have really taken off – a success due to the hands of many – hence the theme of ripples in the latest round of avatars above.

So I think it’s a good time to take stock of what we’ve achieved so far and where we’re going with this.

Firstly we identified one of the issues as bringing up the topic of the Guardian’s political direction, as this, almost ineveitably, seemed to involve moderation of comments and user accounts. As such it seemed logical that before we could start to bring up the issue of the Guardian’s politcs, we had to first ensure there could be an open and free environment in  which to discuss it.

Lightacandle contacted Liz Forgan, the Chair of the Scott Trust

Thank you for your email which has been forwarded to me as Chair of the Scott Trust.

I am afraid that you misunderstand the role of the Trust in respect of the editorial views and content of the Guardian. It is our job to safeguard the independence of the editor, not to intervene in any way in his editorial decisions. It is this which marks the Guardian out from most other journalistic enterprises and it is a discipline which we guard very strictly.

We attend to the underlying values of the paper and the company, to ensure that the ethical standards we set are being upheld. The leader line on any given issue is a matter for the editor and the paper’s attitude to the coalition is not something the Trust would ever discuss.

As you yourself illustrate, a wide range of opinion is available to readers of the Guardian both in the paper and on line and, though there will always be fierce argument among both staff and readers about all kinds of issues, the proper place for that to be aired is in Cif or through the Readers’ Editor.

Yours sincerely

Liz Forgan

The reply was helpful in highlighting the Guardian’s position on the role of Comment is Free and the Reader’s editor.

Then we broached the subject in CiF higlighting the contradictions in the way the moderators had been responding to  posters bringing up the political line the Guardian took on given subjects, effectively silencing the debate -it was a busy thread so I’ve linked in the key posts in chronological order:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/12835129

Having cleared the way to freely discuss the issue of the political direction of the Guardian, we’ve since sent a letter as to Alan Rusbridger asking for an open debate about the issue of its  rightwards swing

Looking for the original Avatars?

How to use these

– right click on the image of your choice and save it to your computer
– got to your CiF profile click Edit Avatar (under your existing one)
– click on the browse button and in the area marked “Upload an avatar”
and navigate to the file you downloaded, select it and click “upload”

and that’s it – it won’t show up immediately but just be patient.

Want to make your own and get into the Peterloo avatar customiser’s gallery

I’ve knocked out a Photoshop pdf, where the different elements are in layers for easy customisation which you can get from here:

peterloo layers

note: sorry – this only works with photoshop I’m afraid, Gimp will load it as a flat layerless image, contact me through the https://c1nf.wordpress.com/youve-got-to-see-this/ form if you want a psd.

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Latest CiF graph for 18th October

A warm welcome to the latest arrivals on the CiF graph

Rory Fbe Davis – cyan area
koichan – green area
jozilove – green area
HoneyBadger90 – green area
Conantheballbaering – green area
Montana Wildhack – green area
sociallyMikey – green area
parrotkeeper – green area
Lairdoflard – green area

and
ElmerPhudd – green area.

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The different areas by inhabitants:

Blue:
Gordon Brown, Margaret Thatcher, Adolf Hitler.

Cyan:
Milton Bloody Friedman, GrammarSchoolBoy, Rory Fbe Davis.

Red:
Joseph Stalin, Igoras (just).

Green:
10percent, 55DegreesNorth, Agreewith, Arbitrarynight, Arseneknows, Cmnimo, Conantheballbaering, The Dalai Lama, darrenlollipopman, Dhuoda, Digby Chicken Ceasar, bertand chorizo, Eccentrix, ElmerPhudd, F4frances, Fulminor, geoing, Giselle, GunboatD, Hacklesup, HoneyBadger90, HindleA, hughpalmer, hyperzeitgeist, Icaruss, Igoras, Ireadnews, jozilove, Kermaria, koichan, Lairdoflard, Lightacandle, Lopedevega, Lundiel, Manningtreeimp, Martin Rowson, Heather Mcdougall, M K Gandhi, Montana Wildhack,
Nemossister, Not1fish, Oheckitshimagain, parrotkeeper, PeleMcAmble, Roachclip, RobertSnozers, redphantom, Rochdalelass, RogerOThornhill, Showmaster, sociallyMikey, Steve Mann, Swedinburgh, ShanksaLot, sostherope, ThamesSider, Theamighty, TheOakster, Torquie,  TROOCOST, Urnotanatheist, WatchfulBob, Whizzgiggle, Wmd101 & Zapthecrap.

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The Guardian Comment CatRtoon

The Guardian appears to be having difficulties with its commenting apparatus

click below to compare to see the original - much better - image.

So until normal service can be resumed feel free to comment below. Click here for the – much better – original,


Beyond Peterloo

All Peterloo posts? click here.

There’s something else I love about the internet – the fact it levels the playing field and removes the gate keepers. Here’s an anecdote that I was emailed recently

There were about twenty people on the bus including the driver and myself.  I already knew the bus driver as he was once (rather too long ago!) the socialist mayor of Havant.  The bus was on its way to a village which is actually in West Sussex.

It started with one elderly lady complaining about the forthcoming cuts in the bus service and to the modification of the route.

Another lady then chimed in with a complaint about things being done without consultation.  From there I remarked that it wasn’t just in Havant that people’s views weren’t being consulted.

An elderly gentleman then agreed, saying that the cuts in the NHS hadn’t been voted for but were going ahead.  Driver said there were some good articles about that in the Guardian.

Second lady then said ‘oh, yes, and there’s that group – the Rainbow Coalition – trying to find out why the Guardian is still backing the LibDems when they’ve betrayed all their voters so many times already, but the Guardian isn’t replying to them.  I remarked that there were several threads to that particular discussion but that it seemed there was some censuring of comments going on, by the paper, also that the Rainbow Coalition were reminding the Guardian about its origins in Manchester after the Peterloo Massacre.

People seemed to be interested in going on talking, but at that point I had to get off the bus as it had reached my stop.

Every time I read this it just bows me away. That this has reached out and touched people beyond the confines of the Guardian and CiF – real ripples.

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Peterloo customisers

One of the great things about the internet is, it’s like an extended jamming session. People pick up ideas and run with them doing their own thing. Below is a selection of custom avatars that I’ve come across on my CiF travels – mouseover the images for the creator’s name.

Feel inspired? Download the photoshop templates for easy customisation. Just want a ready made? Originals, all new versions and the photoshop templates here:

https://c1nf.wordpress.com/2011/10/19/peterloo-avatars-update/

Wondering what this is all about?

The Peterloo avatar is being used on the comments section of the Guardian newspaper by posters .

Why Peterloo?

The Peterloo massacre was an attempt to kill, literally, a pro democracy march. The fact cavalry charges and unsheathed sabres were used against women and children provoked such horror that the Guardian newspaper was born to give a voice to the voiceless.

The editorial policy of late has been puzzling and raises questions on the amount of trust that can be placed in the Guardian’s journalistic integrity remaining intact – how can it be critical of right-wing policies yet supportive of the Lib-Dems.

The other issue is the appearance of supporting the free flowing spirit of web 2.0, while falling down on the practicalities.

Which, in all fairness the Guardian has listened to and acted upon:

PhilipOltermann 14 October 2011 3:05PM

Thanks for your response. Your point about talking about mutualisation being one thing, and actually engaging with readers’ comments being another: completely taken. And if you think it can sometimes look hypocritical from a readers’ perspective, again, I think that’s a fair point.

All I would like you to appreciate is that making the news gathering more open to readers is a process that will take some time. It means changing the habits of a lot of people. I know a lot of journalists who worry that they don’t have time to properly check their facts and follow minor leads because they have to now monitor Twitter, Facebook and comment threads. That’s not to say they won’t get the balance right eventually. But the point is: you can’t just change a switch from one day to the next. And while I do believe that some areas of journalism are very suited to ‘open’ journalism (e.g. comment, Datablog, liveblog of the riots coverage), others are less so (e.g. investigative, ‘behind the scenes’ stuff).

The rolling comment blog was an experiment: some bits worked (we had a really good discussion in the Labour conference thread about what sort of poll lead Labour would need now in order to win the election), but other bits really didn’t. More than happy to take your criticism on board there.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/12835129

Peterloo is happening because people care enough about the Guardian, to want to try to make it better.

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Latest CiF graph for 13th October

A warm welcome to bertand chorizo, hughpalmer, hyperzeitgeist, redphantom, ThamesSider, TROOCOST, Heather Mcdougall, TheOakster and RobertSnozers, who, according to the magic sorting hat, all belong in the green area.

I’d also like to apologise to Heather Mcdougall, hughpalmer and TROOCOST for taking so long to add them.

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The different areas by inhabitants:

Blue:
Gordon Brown, Margaret Thatcher, Adolf Hitler.

Cyan:
Milton Bloody Friedman, GrammarSchoolBoy.

Red:
Joseph Stalin, Igoras (just).

Green:
10percent, 55DegreesNorth, Agreewith, Arbitrarynight, Arseneknows, Cmnimo, The Dalai Lama, darrenlollipopman, Dhuoda, Digby Chicken Ceasar, bertand chorizo, Eccentrix, F4frances, Fulminor, geoing, Giselle, GunboatD, Hacklesup, HindleA, hughpalmer, hyperzeitgeist, Icaruss, Igoras, Ireadnews, Kermaria, Lightacandle, Lopedevega, Lundiel, Manningtreeimp, Martin Rowson, M K Gandhi, Heather Mcdougall, Nemossister, Not1fish, Oheckitshimagain, PeleMcAmble, Roachclip, RobertSnozers, redphantom, Rochdalelass, RogerOThornhill, Showmaster, Steve Mann, Swedinburgh, ShanksaLot, sostherope, ThamesSider, Theamighty, TheOakster, Torquie,  TROOCOST, Urnotanatheist, WatchfulBob, Whizzgiggle, Wmd101 & Zapthecrap.

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